New Age Slavery

With respect to the current state of economic inequality in the USA, if you can relate to any of these synonyms for the word OUTRAGE , either as a noun or as a verb, then you are in the correct forum:

Indignation, Fury, Anger, Rage, Disapproval, Wrath, Resentment, Scandal, Offense, Insult, Injustice, Disgrace, Atrocity, Crime, Wrong, Barbarism, Enrage, Infuriate, Incense, Anger, Scandalize, Offend, Affront, Shock, Horrify, Disgust, Appall, Evil, Violation, and the list goes on...

Before you begin, CLICK HERE to learn about the Counter-Intuitive Impact Of Economic Inequality upon the problems of health and society. This speaks to the very core of the matter; Economic Inequality Is Harmful.

Posted on: » Tue Nov 06, 2018 9:38 am #31

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Looks like time is running out as the middle class is no longer dominant in the USA. One has to wonder how many of these individuals still have the illusion of freedom. It is a milestone indicating we are further along into an eve...
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Post by MaureenCarter » Tue Nov 06, 2018 9:38 am

Perhaps we are seeing evidence of the Stockholm Syndrome with people being taken as financial hostages. Despite Trumps glowing report on his booming economy, time has run out for the middle class and the poor with many being held in dire financial distress.

Wikipedia describes this syndrome.

"Stockholm syndrome is a condition that causes hostages to develop a psychological alliance with their captors as a survival strategy during captivity.[1] These alliances, resulting from a bond formed between captor and captives during intimate time spent together, are generally considered irrational in light of the danger or risk endured by the victims"

Seems to me a lot of individuals are being held as financial hostages by the Trump administration and have developed a psychological bond as a means of survival.

From Fast Company
By Adele Peters 11-01-18 https://www.fastcompany.com/90259879/de ... ly-healthy
Despite the “good economy,” only 28% of Americans are financially healthy
Only 45% of people in a new survey said they have enough to cover three months of living expenses.

By some measures, the American economy is booming. Corporations are raking in profits. Unemployment is low. But wages are still stagnant, and a new report says that only 28% of Americans can be considered financially healthy.
“We felt like we needed to create a definitive study that helped to demonstrate that while the larger economic headlines around a roaring stock market, and low unemployment, and great consumer spending are out there, that’s not actually telling an accurate story,” says Jennifer Tescher, CEO of the Center for Financial Services Innovation, the organization that created the report, called the U.S. Financial Health Pulse.

The organization, which works with startups that are building financial health tools, surveyed more than 5,000 Americans this year.

Nearly half said that their spending had equaled or exceeded their income in the last 12 months.
44% of those relied on credit cards to make ends meet.
Only 45% have enough to cover three months of living expenses (even though the majority of Americans say that they save whenever possible).
42% have no retirement savings.
30% have more debt than is manageable.

The report aims to give a fuller picture of financial health than typical studies. “We tested dozens and dozens of indicators,” says Tescher. Looking at something like annual income, for example, doesn’t necessarily indicate whether someone can cover their expenses. “If you’re not really understanding how people are managing their money in a day-to-day kind of way, you’re missing the whole picture,” she says.
Today is voting day for the USA mid-term elections. Unless they are the elite, most people voting for Trump's glowing economy are being held as economic slaves and showing signs of emotional bonding with Trump as an attempt to stave off financial ruin and their own demise.
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Posted on: » Thu Nov 29, 2018 12:26 am #32

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Yes, we can stop it.

By stopping Wage Inequality I do not mean we drag it to the bathtub and drown it. By stop I mean we reduce it to tolerable levels so it stops having such a detrimental effect upon the rest of us.

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Post by janebird21 » Thu Nov 29, 2018 12:26 am

"At the very least, we need to create an aura of shame around the greed of these CEOs and not exalt them to a God like status. Cultures can also be changed."

I completely agree with your well-phrased solution. Throughout history, the social concept has been to praise, admire, and follow wealthy individuals. It's a completely normal human reaction to follow and support people who have what we want. Society protects them by wanting to be them. What if this was taken away? Can the 1% even be ashamed? As an idealist, I would like to believe that the need for human acceptance does not elude anyone. What if we could change the way these individuals view society, view wealth, and maybe even themselves? The 1% needs to be so publically shamed that their future generations will want social acceptance so much they no longer follow the principles of their wealth hoarding family and associates. They control us with fear so we must make them fearful of their own kind.

Shame on greed.
Shame on the 1%.
Shame on economic inequality.
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Posted on: » Fri Nov 30, 2018 9:57 am #33

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"At the very least, we need to create an aura of shame around the greed of these CEOs and not exalt them to a God like status. Cultures can also be changed."

I completely agree with your well-phrased solution. Throughout history, t...
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Post by MaureenCarter » Fri Nov 30, 2018 9:57 am

I agree, shame on the greedy 1% who cause economic inequality and subsequently cause so much suffering around the world. Yet I do not think historically, as you already stated, it is an effective means to change their behavior. Shaming them does not seem to motivate them enough to cause a significant difference in the way they operate. Rather, many just go underground, painting a different picture of themselves while continuing their nefarious activities. It is almost as if their brain structure for selfish greed and control, which is needed to compensate for the fear they encounter, is greater than their brain structure for shame which is an evolutionary mechanism for social cohesion. Perhaps their brain structure is so much different from yours and mine that they have little control over this. Maybe researchers in the future will study the brain structure of the 1% related to shame and let us know if this is the case. Regardless of the outcome of any future research, it is not the "why" aspect of their brain structure that matters so much. Instead it is the "what" aspect of their brain whereby what their brain structure causes is so much misery for the rest of us.
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Posted on: » Wed Jan 09, 2019 10:41 am #34

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Post by Jessica » Wed Jan 09, 2019 10:41 am

I want to add an increase in loneliness and food insecurity as well as other inevitable outcomes as derived from economic inequality as stated in Sterling's post #18 under, The Community Business Venture. The list is growing and important to remind ourselves of the depth and magnitude of the toxic nature of economic inequality. Everyone can relate to something on this list and keeping at the forefront of the discussion allows us to remember what we are fighting for.

Wars (increased)
Terrorism (increased)
Life expectancy (decreased)
Math and literacy (decreased)
Climate change (increased)
Infant mortality (increased)
Homicides (increased)
Imprisonment (increased)
Teenage births (increased)
Trust (decreased)
Obesity (increased)
Mental illness (increased)
Drug addiction (increased)
Alcoholism (increased)
Social and work mobility (decreased)
Impact of money in politics (increased)
Pollution (increased)
Women's rights (decreased)
Racism (increased)
Food Insecurity (increased)
Loneliness (increased)
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Posted on: » Sat Jan 26, 2019 11:35 am #35

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The United Nations report on poverty in America indicates 40 million people live in poverty. This is a form of slavery caused by high levels of economic inequality and denied by President Trump's administration.

Nikki Haley is not ...
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Post by MaureenCarter » Sat Jan 26, 2019 11:35 am

Give me a break! Nobel Prize winner Robert Schiller says Senator Warrens Wealth Tax probably will not work and proposes a plan that would kick in 10 years into the future should inequality "become catastrophic."

Massachusetts Senator Elizabeth Warren has just proposed a wealth tax on Americans worth more than $50 million.

Bloomberg politics
Warren’s Wealth Tax Probably Doomed, Nobel Winner Shiller Says
By Catherine Bosley
January 25, 2019, https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... bly-doomed
“There is a problem with the wealth tax,” Shiller, economics professor at Yale University, told Bloomberg Television’s Francine Lacqua and Tom Keene on the sidelines of the Forum on Friday. “People leave, they take their business elsewhere.”

Instead, he favors a plan that would kick in the future, perhaps in 10 years, should inequality “become catastrophic.”
Become Catastrophic? From the UN report of my forgoing referenced post,
“At the other end of the spectrum, 40 million Americans live in poverty and 18.5 million of those live in extreme poverty,” he said. “In addition, vast numbers of middle-class Americans are perched on the edge, with 40 percent of the adult population saying they would be unable to cover an unexpected $400 expense.”
His Nobel Prize set aside, Schiller has, if you will excuse my french, "$hit for brains" or at the very minimum, a lump of coal for a heart.

As exemplified in the wikipedia article below, I wish we had a deck of cards for the top worst people sponsoring economic inequality like the US military had for the Saddam Husein regime. I am sure Schiller's card would be a Joker.
Most-wanted Iraqi playing cards
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During the 2003 invasion of Iraq by a United States-led coalition, the U.S. military developed a set of playing cards to help troops identify the most-wanted members of President Saddam Hussein's government, mostly high-ranking members of the Iraqi Regional Branch of the Arab Socialist Ba'ath Party or members of the Revolutionary Command Council. The cards were officially named the "personality identification playing cards". As of 2018, all but 6 of the 52 most wanted have been captured.
Contents

About the cards

Each card contains the wanted person's address and, if available, the job performed by that individual. The highest-ranking cards, starting with the aces and kings, were used for the people at the top of the most-wanted list. The ace of spades is Saddam Hussein, the aces of clubs and hearts are his sons Qusay and Uday respectively, and the ace of diamonds is Saddam's presidential secretary Abid Hamid Mahmud al-Tikriti. This strict correspondence to the order of the most-wanted list was not carried through the entire deck, but some time later in 2003, the list itself was renumbered to conform (almost) to the deck of cards. The card backs feature a green military camouflage pattern.

According to US Navy Lieutenant commander Jim Brooks, a spokesman for the Defense Intelligence Agency, such playing cards have been used as far back as the US Civil War and again in World War II—Army Air Corps decks printed with the silhouettes of German and Japanese fighter aircraft fetch hundreds of dollars today—and in the Korean War. Troops often play cards to pass the time, and seeing the names, faces and titles of the wanted Iraqis during their games will help soldiers and Marines in case they run into the wanted individuals in the field, Brooks said.[1]
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The USA is no longer classified as a "full democracy" and is now rated as a "flawed democracy." We need democracy to support a free and vibrant internet to fight against authoritarian rule and for the Economic Inequality Rating App to flourish.
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Post by Jessica » Tue Feb 12, 2019 2:49 pm

To corroborate the previous post that the United States is no longer a full Democracy,
The latest edition of “Freedom in the World,” Freedom House’s flagship report, has just been released. For the second year in a row, the United States had a score of 86, down from 94 in 2009. According to Michael Abramowitz, Freedom House’s president, it’s the lowest score for the United States since the survey began.
This information comes from a separate independent source,

The New York Times
Latvia Above Us, Croatia Below
Under Trump, America is no longer in the top tier of democratic countries.
By Michelle Goldberg
Feb. 4, 2019 https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/04/opin ... cracy.html
Though still ranked as free, America now falls below not just Canada and the Nordic countries, but also Greece, Latvia and Mauritius. “The current overall U.S. score puts American democracy closer to struggling counterparts like Croatia than to traditional peers such as Germany or the United Kingdom,” the report said.
The world offers more lessons about how democracies grow weak and brittle than how they can be revived. America may never again be taken seriously as the global champion of liberal democracy. But perhaps it could at least figure out a systematic way to repudiate illiberalism. We’re not the only country that’s going to need it.
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Posted on: » Sat Mar 23, 2019 12:48 pm #37

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Post by Jessica » Sat Mar 23, 2019 12:48 pm

The seeds of violence and a Civil War are being sewn by Donald Trump as he messages his supporters to commit violence if his political power is threatened.

Doctor A writes in his post #20 of a chilling possible dystopian future,
And so it will start. The vicious fight against those who enslave the people with their policies will begin at first sporadically and then over time more consistently. Almost certainly the current administration will label the individuals involved as terrorists and eventually declare a war on terrorism. This creates a tit for tat reciprocity, a downward spiral into an abyss of escalating violence. For those of us who have walked this earth long enough we know all too well the ending scenario. Civil war with all of the malfeasance and eventual horror associated with it ensues.

But only one side will win. Let us pray it is us and not just a handful of craven elites with blood stained hands and brain structures bent on controlling the world in an attempt to satisfy their inner greed; it is a greed that can never be satisfied. The very future of humanity depends upon us winning. Losing would surely spell death to each of us as with every successive year more and more automation and robotics will relegate us to the dust bin of history. It is a history where we are no longer needed. Eventually, a cost to benefit ratio derived from an algorithm will lead someone down that slippery slope to ask the question, "Why not just kill them all?" This is the future we are fighting against and the fight must start now if we are to have any chance of winning.
Doctor A continues in his post #6 under The Community Business Venture, then The Community Business Venture (A GENERAL OVERVIEW DISCUSSION), with the following explaining why the Community Venture Is So Important,
Dare we think this feeding frenzy will stop? From an old pig proverb comes the saying, "Where the pigsty is open, the pigs run out." And run they will, straight to the trough.

Trump's win will certainly embolden him and his surrogates to use deceit and underhandedness to win a second four-year term. They have fattened themselves by propagating fake news, Russian hacking, election interference, fear mongering, voter suppression, FBI manipulation, CIA and FBI condemnation, divisiveness, and a plethora of sordid and morally bankrupt techniques.

Will Trump fabricate or use an existing situation to declare martial law in an attempt to mimic world leaders he admires as an excuse to grab more power? If his past behaviors are prescient,that is, likely to predict his future behavior,then it is more likely than not. As a corollary to this proposition, will the war they create to take the focus off of their ensuing economic disasters be added to the national debt while providing plentiful feed slop for the wealthy Military Industrial Complex in an attempt to keep the trough full?

A Trump presidency, Congressional control, and soon-to-be Supreme Court triangle of triumph make for the greater possibility of overreach. They will surely stab the triangular bayonet deeper into to bellies of the sick, downtrodden, and poor just to engorge themselves. Will reaching for a constitutional amendment to extend the President's term limit be next?

Fantastical ideations you say! Given the way they acted in the last election and since Trump has taken office, the prospect of such occurrences are not unfathomable. To the contrary, one imagines that the French in the late 1930's had similar thoughts and conversations in their Parisian cafes just before the Germans invadedtheir nightmarish speculations became all too real.
Even I see this advancing authoritarianism looming on the horizon when I write in my post #10,
We continually need to be reminded what the face of evil looks like in order to confront it. Most people in our country have not faced this degree of totalitarian evil other than in a book, movie, or history course. It is not an everyday livable experience for most of us but all of that is changing. With the ascendency of the Trump administration, evil once again cloaks us in darkness. Many have died as heroes to protect the embers of our freedom and democracy from this vile form of government. Listen, you can hear the alarm bells going off letting us know what is coming just around the corner? It is evil creeping towards us with a lust to deny us our democratic way of life. While reading the Huffington Post I came across one of these alarm bells with a not so subtle warning from President Obama.

Obama Warns Americans Against Following In The Path Of Nazi Germany
You've got to pay attention and vote, the former president said.
By Sara Boboltz 12/09/2017
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/ob ... mg00000009

It's not that democracy is fragile, exactly, but it is reversible, according to former President Barack Obama.

During an interview earlier this week at the Economic Club of Chicago, Obama reminded his audience to remain vigilant in protecting the values and institutions that make up American democracy or risk following in the path of Nazi Germany.
You have to tend to this garden of democracy, otherwise things can fall apart fairly quickly. And we've seen societies where that happens, he told interviewer Mellody Hobson, president of Ariel Investments, after defending institutions such as freedom of religion and freedom of the press. (Obama admitted, however, that the latter sometimes drove him "nuts" during his time in the White House.)

So you've got to pay attention and vote, Obama said in video of the event.


Sterling in his post #22 adds fuel to this fire when he writes,
Can you read the handwriting on the wall or do you need a rifle barrel poked into your ribs or a trudgeon slammed up side your head to get the point? The world is drinking the poisoned Kool Aid of authoritarianism which derives its power from a loss of democracy and inequality. Take note, authoritarianism and inequality are the very bedrock of slavery. Say goodbye to your freedoms unless you are willing to fight for them.

To drive this concept home, Fareed Zakaria presents a global view on the demise of democracy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2YoKJfu_90

Anyone still sitting on the side lines while Donald Trump continues to make his own power grab is inviting slavery into their lives.
But now we have "dog whistles" with nods and winks from Donald Trump as he messages his base to take to violence and support his fascism if legal events do not bend his way when he says,

New Civil Rights Movement
by David BadashMarch 14, 201912:07 PM
This Is Fascism: Concern Grows Over Trump's Threat He Has Support of Police, Military, Bikers for Trump

https://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.c ... for-trump/
President Donald Trump delivered a thinly-veiled threat in an interview this week with the far right wing website Breitbart.

"I have the support of the police, the support of the military, the support of the Bikers for Trump. I have the tough people, but they don't play it tough until they go to a certain point, and then it would be very bad, very bad," Trump told Breitbart (Google cache version.)

The remark was framed as remarks on the "general tensions between conservatives and leftists."

Trump's remarks were not widely publicized, as Breitbart, which for years was run by Trump's former campaign CEO Steve Bannon, is not a mainstream publication. Bannon infamously described the site as the platform for the alt-right.

But Toronto Star reporter Daniel Dale, who focuses on tracking and fact-checking all of Trump's remarks, posted the quote to Twitter. It quickly drew concern, outrage, and condemnation and repeated charges of fascism.
The President of the United States is encouraging the military, police, and bikers to violently attack his critics on the left. https://t.co/UdP9EcxjPy

Judd Legum (@JuddLegum) March 14, 2019

Authoritarianism expert:

Trump is propped up by a transnational crime syndicate dominated by billionaires. Folks will emphasize the threat here -- but it's also an attempt to make himself seem rooted in all-American, blue-collar protection. In reality Trump's big backers are corrupt elites just like him. https://t.co/I0lRghCrXd

Sarah Kendzior (@sarahkendzior) March 14, 2019

Emmy award-winning MSNBC anchor:

This is...a threat of fascist violence by the President ?https://t.co/JQ1Yq3L9Nt

Chris Hayes (@chrislhayes) March 14, 2019

Public policy professor, pundit, and political scientist:

This is how an authoritarian talks. Happening right in front of us. https://t.co/7VK8ZUS6fF

Brendan Nyhan (@BrendanNyhan) March 14, 2019

Washington Post journalist:

Imagine a 2011 Obama interview in which he mused about the New Black Panthers supporting him in case things got to a certain point. https://t.co/9B0tcSdZpv

Dave Weigel (@daveweigel) March 14, 2019

Senior Writer at RollingStone:
It is obvious Donald Trump, with his authoritarian and fascist centered speech, is talking to his base to invoke violent action should he ever loose his power of the Presidency. This is setting the stage for a Civil War.


Doctor A, post #15
The USA is primed for a revolution and/or a civil war; let us make it a nonviolent event should it occur. The midterm 2018 election for congressional control and the 2020 Presidential race will have a lot to do with the making of these possible events. The FRC business venture, featuring the Economic Inequality Rating App, (EIRA) is a means to bring about law-abiding peaceful change.

Will a civil war, with all of its chaos, morbidity, mortality, and economic collapse, really happen?

31% Think U.S. Civil War Likely Soon
From Rasmussen Reports in Politics http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_ ... likely_soon
Wednesday, June 27, 2018

Thirty-one percent (31%) of Likely U.S. Voters say i's likely that the United States will experience a second civil war sometime in the next five years, with 11% who say it's Very Likely.
Donald Trump is a warmonger. Wars always produce slaves in one form or another and his aggressive stance shows he is just itching to use force against those who are not in his tribal base. He would like nothing more than to dominate us.
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Post by Doctor A » Thu Mar 28, 2019 1:30 pm

People are finally awakening to the fact there may not be any future jobs due to robotics. Some good ideas, such as Bill Gate's suggestion to tax robots that take away human jobs, are welcome but most likely will fall flat due to the power of the wealthy individuals who will oppose this form of taxation. A somewhat futile and frenetic effort is now underway to predict which jobs for parents to steer children into for future careers. This, in my view, does not seem to have a promising long term outcome because of the rapidly changing influence of technological innovations over a prolonged period of time. Heartache will accompany a parent's guidance as the pool of jobs begins to evaporate.

From my prior post #2,
I recently read a TechCrunch article with the title, "Robots To Eat All The Jobs." I offer the link for your review: http://techcrunch.com/2015/11/09/basic- ... eateathon/ It is an interesting piece of journalism given the bleak and depressing subject matter of what to do with the masses once the Robots take our jobs. How do you provide financially for so many people let alone give them purpose and meaning in their lives? But the one thing missing from the discussion, the silent elephant in the room, was what do you do with that many slaves?
Parents and educators are staring into their crystal balls trying to guess what future educational opportunities will be best for getting the new round of premium jobs in an ever dwindling pool of opportunities. It is an attempt to define which jobs will be the last for algorithms to control. Yet given the long time frame to deliver a child from primary education to a finished product ready for the job market, and a continual shifting of trend lines as robotic technology redefines itself, this will become a smaller and smaller moving target with little long term predictive value.

Financial Times
How to robot-proof your children's careers
Experts say a rethink of education is needed to keep humans employed
Sarah O'Connor, Employment Correspondent April 6, 2016 https://www.ft.com/content/0c7906d6-be8 ... b8d15baec2
Pity school careers advisers. If economists are to be believed, vast numbers of jobs will have evaporated by the time today's pupils reach the labour market. Oxford university's Carl Benedikt Frey and Michael Osborne say almost half of the jobs in the US are at high risk from computerisation in the next two decades, together with two-thirds of those in India and three-quarters in China.

While workers worry about whether robots will take their jobs, teachers are wondering how to use education to insulate the next generation from such a fate. This has worked before. When the last wave of automation swept the developed world at the start of the 20th century, policymakers decided education was the answer. If machines were going to substitute for brawn, they reasoned, more people would need to use their brains.

The US invested heavily in education, with good results. Workers reaped the benefits through better jobs and higher wages. Economists Andrew McAfee and Erik Brynjolfsson summed it up like this: The industrial revolution started a race between technology and education and, for most of the 20th century, humans won that race.

But the next race will be against technology that replaces brains and brawn. Machine learning algorithms are already starting to supplant the likes of mergers and acquisition bankers and currency traders. Some experts argue we need to respond with another fundamental rethink of education.


The issue of robots really taking human jobs and the outcome of such actions are starting to come more into focus as the following article dictates new financial problems that will need to be addressed.

New Futurist Fear: Economic Singularity Could Kill Jobs Forever
Automated workplaces are no good if people don't have the incomes to support them.
Dan Robitzski, March 19th 2019 posting.php?mode=reply&f=26&t=16&p=140
If robots automate all of our jobs, what use will the goods and services they produce be without people who can afford them?

That's the big question posed by Electronic Engineering Journal's editor-in-chief, Kevin Morris, who defines the moment robots and artificial intelligence surpass humanity's abilities in the workforce as an "economic singularity" and suggested that it could lead to dire consequences for us humans.

In a new essay for EE Journal, Morris paints a picture of a world in which society has passed that singularity: robots and AI have taken all the jobs, and now they plug away, manufacturing goods that a world of unemployed humans can't afford to buy.

Morris suggests that the economic singularity is the natural endpoint of hypercompetitive, self-consuming capitalism, where large corporations are incentivized above all else to maximize profit. In other words, megacorps would realize that algorithms are cheaper than employees, leading to an insidious robotic revolution in which unconscious machines won't share humanity's competitive, world-dominating ambitions but will be prioritized over people.

As more businesses opt to automate their workforces, Morris predicts that we'll see two competing trends: increasingly cheap but high-quality goods manufactured by automated businesses and an increasingly impoverished population that can't afford them.
This brings us to the issue of a safety net to provide for all of those who have lost their jobs.
To keep people from getting left behind, many have suggested that the government ought to step in and provide for those who get laid off in favor of a robot or AI algorithm.

Otherwise, Morris envisions a world where corporations deem that having any human employees at all is bad for profits.

Something has to give, because if we follow all these trendlines, work itself will no longer have value, only ownership, Morris wrote. And, ironically, if only ownership has value, we will no longer need owners either. It will be interesting to watch.
One of the better ideas I like, at least as a transitional element, is the idea by Bill Gates that robots should pay taxes if they take away jobs.

From Quartz
The robot that takes your job should pay taxes, says Bill Gates
By Kevin J. DelaneyFebruary 17, 2017 https://qz.com/911968/bill-gates-the-ro ... pay-taxes/
Robots are taking human jobs. But Bill Gates believes that governments should tax companies use of them, as a way to at least temporarily slow the spread of automation and to fund other types of employment.

It's a striking position from the world's richest man and a self-described techno-optimist who co-founded Microsoft, one of the leading players in artificial-intelligence technology.

In a recent interview with Quartz, Gates said that a robot tax could finance jobs taking care of elderly people or working with kids in schools, for which needs are unmet and to which humans are particularly well suited. He argues that governments must oversee such programs rather than relying on businesses, in order to redirect the jobs to help people with lower incomes. The idea is not totally theoretical: EU lawmakers considered a proposal to tax robot owners to pay for training for workers who lose their jobs, though on Feb. 16 the legislators ultimately rejected it.

You ought to be willing to raise the tax level and even slow down the speed of automation, Gates argues. That's because the technology and business cases for replacing humans in a wide range of jobs are arriving simultaneously, and it's important to be able to manage that displacement. You cross the threshold of job replacement of certain activities all sort of at once, Gates says, citing warehouse work and driving as some of the job categories that in the next 20 years will have robots doing them.
Although a good temporary idea, is it practical? We all know how much the wealthy like to pay taxes. I suspect they would rather put an appendage into a meat grinder before they do this. We also know how much they like the role of big government and its regulatory agencies interfering with their businesses. Ditto the loss of another appendage before they will consider such an option.

Like other safety net measures, the crumbs left for the masses will be meager at best. In fact, the narrative will be shaped to indicate the wondrous and care giving role big business will have in providing for us all. Like the Jews of World War II who were sent in rail cars to a new location where they were told they would have a better life, our fate will be not much better. Unless we act now to counter their smothering grip upon the face of society for their own selfish goals, the outcome looks more like a world of algorithms than humans.
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Re: New Age Slavery

Post by Sterling Volunteer » Wed May 01, 2019 12:02 pm

I strongly concur with Doctor A's assessment there will be no privacy in the future or at least anything resembling what we consider as a standard of privacy today. Privacy standards will become distorted to meet the needs of the looming Singularity.

Doctor A's quote from the Singularity Hub, "Will Privacy Survive The Future?" is most telling.
While the argument to protect privacy and individuals information is valid to a certain extent, we may also have to accept the possibility that privacy will become obsolete in the future. We have inherently become more open as a society in the digital world, voluntarily sharing our identities, interests, views, and personalities.
From: Express VPN blog
What will happen to internet privacy in the future?
By Lexie, November 27, 2018
https://www.expressvpn.com/blog/interne ... he-future/
Unfortunately, we have reached a point where the internet doesn't work correctly unless we sacrifice some of our privacy. Everything from Twitter to cell phones wants access to our personal information, GPS location, and more.

To most of us, how companies store and use our information is mostly a mystery. There are constant stories about stolen consumer information, yet we still, willingly, give out ours because the alternative is cloud services and social networks locking us out.

If internet privacy has already eroded so much in the present day, what will things be like in the future?
Doctor A then goes on to look at this future when he says, "I believe there is no real hope of privacy in the conventional sense in the long term."
Given the formidable future situation we will find ourselves in, I believe there is no real hope of privacy in the conventional sense in the long term. While the USA and Europe in the short term will struggle to maintain our privacy in these established manners, I see it as a fools errand. They will not be able to out run the technological tsunami coming their way. Rather, we should open the doors up to the collection of personal information. Why? Because trying to stop this information gathering would be a Herculean task tantamount to stopping the Singularity; it will not happen. Instead, we should take a very narrow focused position on controlling what sensors are allowed and how this information can be used. This nodal point of control is the only choke juncture I envision being able to protect our privacy in any meaningful and effective way. Finally, we will need to set course in the near term as to how this information will be used, for what reasons, and most importantly, by whom.
I believe the conservative's drive for greater profits by deregulating business will continue to expand the lack of privacy in the future. Sadly I think the trends eroding privacy will continue and perhaps reflect the exponential rate of the Singularity's development itself. This is not just the knowing and dissemination of say our browser search history, an event that would cause panic in most individuals because it reflects some of our darkest secrets and desires. Rather it portends a future much more ominous when all of our brain cell functions will be known, categorized, and even graded before we are even aware of our own thoughts.

Brain initiatives using optogenetics in the USA, Europe, and Russia, are mapping out all of the cells not only in the human body but specifically with specialin the brain. Each cell, synapse, and all of the millions of functions within the cells will also be mapped out for the approximate 37.2 trillion cells found in the average human body. Control of who we really are at this level is beyond even my imagination. At this level, saying "privacy will become obsolete" is an understatement.

From: Wonderopolis
Wonder of the Day #1545
How Many Cells Are in the Human Body?
https://www.wonderopolis.org/wonder/how ... human-body
Scientists concluded that the average human body contains approximately 37.2 trillion cells! Of course, your body will have more or fewer cells than that total, depending upon how your size compares to the average human being, but that's a good starting point for estimating the number of cells in your own body!
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Re: New Age Slavery

Post by Doctor A » Wed May 22, 2019 6:48 am

Many individuals are interested in the collapse of the Roman empire and what historical factors can be gleaned from it's demise as it relates to the possible collapse of the USA's democratic republic. The similarities eerily mirror the position the USA finds itself in today with income and economic inequality strongly foreshadowing how this collapse may occur.

My post #11 under FirstRateCrowd's EIRA is a subheading under the major category Economic Inequality Rating App (EIRA). Walter Scheidel in his new book clearly fingers inequality as the perpetrator of collapsing civilizations.
Stanford Professor Walter Scheidel is quite frank when he writes about income inequality in his new book, "The Great Leveler."
"Income Inequality is a Destroyer of Civilizations"

The Professor says, "income inequality can be mitigated by policy, but is only leveled by upheaval - produced by war, state collapse, or revolution"
The following is a collage of articles painting a picture of inequality all pointing in the same direction as Scheidel's book. Any student of history knows the past many times repeats itself especially if we have not learned and corrected historical lessons.

This Is How Republics End
Occupy.com
Tue, 11/6/2018 - by Mike Duncan
This article originally appeared on The Washington Post
https://www.occupy.com/article/how-republics-end
The early destabilization of the republic was caused by skyrocketing economic inequality. As a result of Rome's military conquests, the wealth of the known world was brought back to Italy in the baggage trains of the victorious legions. And as Rome became the great center of the Mediterranean, the trade networks that linked cities and kingdoms from Spain to Syria now revolved around Rome. But this flood of new wealth was not shared equally' it instead concentrated in the hands of a small clique of aristocratic senatorial families who now controlled fortunes on a scale unimaginable to their austere ancestors.

And while the rich got richer, the poor got poorer. Lower-class Roman families, small citizen-farmers who had long been the backbone of the republic, faced a dire economic crisis. Prolonged military service had left many of their farms ruined. Unable to compete with growing estates of their senatorial neighbors, small freeholders were bought out by rich families. This began a century-long process that transformed Italy from a patchwork of small farms to a handful of huge commercial estates. The poorer Romans were reduced to being landless peasants or moving to the cities in search of wage labor. Either way, they were dislocated from their traditional ways of life and not very happy about it.
Smithsonian.com
Before the Fall of the Roman Republic, Income Inequality and Xenophobia Threatened Its Foundations
In a new book, history podcaster Mike Duncan describes what preceded Caesar's rise to Emperor
By Lorraine Boissoneault
November 16, 2017
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/ ... 180967249/
One topic you describe at length is economic inequality between citizens of Rome. How did that come about?

After Rome conquers Carthage, and after they decide to annex Greece, and after they conquer Spain and acquire all the silver mines, you have wealth on an unprecedented scale coming into Rome. The flood of wealth was making the richest of the rich Romans wealthier than would've been imaginable even a couple generations earlier. You're talking literally 300,000 gold pieces coming back with the Legions. All of this is being concentrated in the hands of the senatorial elite, they're the consuls and the generals, so they think it's natural that it all accumulates in their hands.

At the same time, these wars of conquest were making the poor quite a bit poorer. Roman citizens were being hauled off to Spain or Greece, leaving for tours that would go on for three to five years a stretch. While they were gone, their farms in Italy would fall into disrepair. The rich started buying up big plots of land. In the 130s and 140s you have this process of dispossession, where the poorer Romans are being bought out and are no longer small citizen owners. They're going to be tenant owners or sharecroppers and it has a really corrosive effect on the traditional ways of economic life and political life. As a result, you see this skyrocketing economic inequality.

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Social/Income Inequality and the Fall of Rome is Relevant Today
Posted on November 5, 2017 by jhueston
https://pages.vassar.edu/realarchaeolog ... ant-today/
The adage goes that if we do not learn from our past than we are bound to repeat it. Nowhere is this clearer than when we look at the fall of the Roman Empire and the social and financial situations prior. Before the collapse of the Roman Empire, the top 1% of its population controlled over 16% of its wealth. The Gini coefficient; which measures the level of income disparity in a society where 0 is perfectly equal and 1 is perfectly unequal, measured Rome at an incredibly high 0.43[1].
These are just a couple reasons for the fall of Rome, but what is perhaps most terrifying about the fall are the corollaries to today. The Unites States of America has a Gini coefficient of .45, and 40% of the wealth is controlled by the top 1% of the population.[5] By every metric, the United States is even more divided and unfair than Rome before its fall. The effects are perfectly evident as well as there is increasing inclination from the rich to build fallout bunkers and withdraw from civilization and politics just as the roman elites did centuries before. Worsening matters is the evidence of extreme racism towards migrant workers who like slaves in Rome, take the labor from the hardworking middle class. Increasingly the middle class shrinks as social unrest and bigotry grows. It is a scary combination that, if we aren't careful, could spell the end of civilization as we know it, just like it did for the Romans centuries before.
PER Square Mile
Income inequality in the Roman Empire
December 16, 2011 by Tim De Chant
https://persquaremile.com/2011/12/16/in ... an-empire/
Over the last 30 years, wealth in the United States has been steadily concentrating in the upper economic echelons. Whereas the top 1 percent used to control a little over 30 percent of the wealth, they now control 40 percent. It???s a trend that was for decades brushed under the rug but is now on the tops of minds and at the tips of tongues.

Since too much inequality can foment revolt and instability, the CIA regularly updates statistics on income distribution for countries around the world, including the U.S. Between 1997 and 2007, inequality in the U.S. grew by almost 10 percent, making it more unequal than Russia, infamous for its powerful oligarchs. The U.S. is not faring well historically, either. Even the Roman Empire, a society built on conquest and slave labor, had a more equitable income distribution.
To determine the size of the Roman economy and the distribution of income, historians Walter Schiedel and Steven Friesen pored over papyri ledgers, previous scholarly estimates, imperial edicts, and Biblical passages. Their target was the state of the economy when the empire was at its population zenith, around 150 C.E. Schiedel and Friesen estimate that the top 1 percent of Roman society controlled 16 percent of the wealth, less than half of what America's top 1 percent control.
These numbers paint a picture of two Romes, one of respectable, if not fabulous, wealth and the other of meager wages, enough to survive day-to-day but not enough to prosper. The wealthy were also largely concentrated in the cities. It's not unlike the U.S. today. Indeed, based on a widely used measure of income inequality, the Gini coefficient, imperial Rome was slightly more equal than the U.S.
In other words, what we see as the glory of Rome is really just the rubble of the rich, built on the backs of poor farmers and laborers, traces of whom have all but vanished. It's as though Rome' 99 percent never existed. Which makes me wonder, what will future civilizations think of us?
VOX
What America can learn from the fall of the Roman republic
The Roman republic destroyed itself. Are we on a similar path?
By Sean Illing, Updated Mar 3, 2019
https://www.vox.com/2019/1/1/18139787/r ... l-republic
The story of Rome's fall is both complicated and relatively straightforward: The state became too big and chaotic; the influence of money and private interests corrupted public institutions; and social and economic inequalities became so large that citizens lost faith in the system altogether and gradually fell into the arms of tyrants and demagogues.

If all of that sounds familiar, well, that's because the parallels to our current political moment are striking. Edward Watts, a historian at the University of California San Diego, has just published a new book titled Mortal Republic that carefully lays out what went wrong in ancient Rome, and how the lessons of its decline might help save fledgling republics like the United States today.
This is what happened in Rome. Do you believe the same thing is happening right now?
Edward Watts

I think that we're in the early stages of a process that could lead to that. The point at which Romans were willing to make that trade occurred after almost 150 years of political dysfunction, but it also occurred after a generation of really brutal civil war.

And the process that started that was one of economic inequality and the inability and unwillingness of the people vested in the upper, successful parts of the Roman state to address that economic inequality.

But as people's needs were not being addressed for decades, the tensions heightened to the point where violence started breaking out. And once violence starts to break out, it's very difficult for a republic to regain control of itself.
Sean Illing

The inequality problem is maybe the most striking for me. What you saw in Rome, and what you see quite clearly today, is the wealthy undermining the very system that made them wealthy, and a total failure to see how ruinous that is in the long term.
Edward Watts

Yeah, it's a real problem today, and it was a real problem in Rome.
We currently seem on the brink of a collapsing American democratic world power due to the rise of economic inequality starting in the 1970s. The analogy of inequality from Rome's collapsed state stands as a reminder of what could happen should we proceed down this same road of rising inequality. Calls for American exceptionalism by the Republican right wing will do little to immunize us from a similar death. Until the underlying condition of inequality is expunged from our society, the prognosis looks grim.
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